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I’ve always loved your perspective, Erik. I resonate because I was there, in grad school, in 1972 when the computer model of mind swept into Cog Sci with Newell and Simon’s “Human Problem Solving,” was putzing away in the 70s with what later became “expert systems,” and have watched all the developments (or non-developments). It seems to me, at the root of the problem you’re struggling with - the “a lot of smoke and not much light” - is our lack of a concrete alternative model of the brain and mind – an alternative to the “brain-is-a-computer” model which ever since has had the total allegiance of Cog Sci (and its child, AI – for which Cog Sci is simply the choir) and which dominates current thinking, theory, philosophy of mind. This entire AI-development and the sucking in/fascination of the public has rested on this concept, namely, that the AIs actually reflect what the human brain does, or if you’re Connor Leahy, actually do things better than the brain, or if the Anthropic researcher speaking at the recent ARC conference, “the LLMs are not quite the same, but reflect the neural structure of the brain and what it does.” When even the supposed “premier critic” of AI, Gary Marcus – a guy with a Cog Sci academic background (PhD 1992, i.e., when Cog Sci was already captured) – is arguing that the real problem is that the LLMs just lack GOFAI abilities like cognitive mapping/planning and that will make the difference, this in an index of the lack of an alternative vision. Have you imagined if, in the context of all the recent AI developments – the deep learning nets, attention, the LLMs, Sam Altman, the promise of “AGI around the corner” – there had been a universal understanding that the brain is an entirely different “device,” that consciousness is intrinsic to actual human intelligence, and given the nature of intelligence, these “AGI” claims are absurd and that an Altman is an ignorant clown? But that couldn’t happen, because there is no such understanding - in either the academics and equally then, in the general consciousness.

IMO, the problem was indexed by, encapsulated in, Chalmers’ famous – but sadly, rather misstated – “hard problem,” a problem the academics either think will take some incredible leap of creative thought, or simply want to deny, or if an AI theorist, like to think as irrelevant. The philosophers think the problem is just about "consciousness" - they do not grasp it requires a new model of perception, memory (how experience is stored) and cognition. There was already solution to the problem, but too prescient to be understood, first by Henri Bergson in 1896, complemented later by J. J. Gibson’s theory of perception (1966) – and together, indeed requiring and defining an alternative model of the brain as a “device,” what it actually does, and which makes extremely clear why the “brain-as-computer” metaphor is not even close, and an answer to the correlated question – why the biology - the biochemistry - is important, critical. I’ve mentioned a book on this before – maybe it’s just too radical. I guess whether it’d be of interest depends on where your head is in evaluating what’s the core of our problems with AI.

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Yeah, it has got pretty boring talking about the structure and implications of LLMs. Those who get it get it, those who do not will not.

So now we talk about when and where best to use them, and revert to the former topic only to temper expectations, although this still falls on deaf ears. Seems those who Want to Believe have retreated from the moat of "conscious superhuman intelligence" to the bailey of "I don't care what it is, 100x productivity bro". This too is becoming boring.

Concerns with malinvestment and research dead ends notwithstanding, it seems the eternally gullible will remain so, while the rest of us are slowly sorting out where these things are practical to use.

I've said from the beginning they'll have about as much impact on (whatever) as Photoshop filters had on photography when all is said and done. Which is to say, useful daily tools, but not game changing. Still stand by that. Feeling increasingly vindicated.

The wider cultural implications of the endless silicon valley hype cycle of overpromising and underdelivering, adequately summed as "fraud," are still interesting. Our lives grow increasingly dystopian as they continue to promise utopia is just five years away. This holding pattern, the endless beta, the "just wait for the next version bro," has trapped us in decades of anticipating a revolution, or a crash, that is not coming, and a mindset of seeking technological solutions to every problem. Crypto to fix banking, tinder to fix relationships, uber to fix the unaffordability of transportation, bla bla bla.

Instead, maybe we should ask if the problem is fundamentally technological in the first place, or if the problem exists between keyboard and chair.

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