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Eric Dane Walker's avatar

What an interesting post! It set my subsidiarist sensibilities fluttering.

If I'm understanding you, you're arguing for an arrangement whereby the algorithms that determine what news or social media posts I see on my device are trained on what I and my fellow community members let them be trained on. And what we deem training-worthy — what we let the algorithms train on, what data we choose to share — will be determined by criteria shaped more by our local interests than, say, by what is in the interest of a monstrous profit-seeking entity. And the distinction is not simply between local and global: there are intermediary spheres governed by less and less locally trained algorithms.

Have I understood you? Assuming so, let me register a question.

One of Hayek's concerns about centralized control over distribution (of any good) was that such control was liable to unaccountable capture by private interests. Hayek wasn't simply concerned with efficient signaling and information flow. He was concerned that public and common interests would be subverted.

My question is this: if local interests are shaping the informational landscape, do you think there's any less risk of those local interests being private interests as opposed to public and common interests?

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Martin Anantharaman's avatar

Very interesting - as an approach (so I understand it) to structure (semantically) and federate/distribute "knowledge" "democratically", i.e. without intransparent, biased, self-serving moderators. But the question remains what the value of such "knowledge" is - is that value just our personal judgement - or majority-vote? I am reminded of the age-old scentific method that works by tacit consensus among a peer-group of accepted authority - but it remains confined to those with sufficient training, knowledge and research-experience - in silos of specialization. Then, any one of those silos can overwhelm us - become a life-task to the exclusion of anything outside it - so missing almost everything that really is important in life. But who can judge what that is, even in an enumerative (so not deeply analytic) sense? That has always been shaped explicitly/implicitly by an exclusive elite of "cultural leaders", ideally well-versed in matters of the world BUT ALSO philosophy (which I understand as science outside the silos) - AND spirituality (which informs us about purpose and meaning) - but, in practice, those personifying the aspirations arising from our own inadequacy and frustration. A cryptic quote I noted today on X comes to mind: Does the slave dream of being free - or becoming a slave-owner?

So, yes, federated and democratic learning has it's value - but only if it has mechanisms that assure the quality of knowledge - as the scientific method does - and respects meaningful spiritual goals - and putting all that together could shape culture in a new way.

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