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J. Mark Bishop's avatar

Hi Erik. Nice article. I have debated with David Chalmers specifically on my reductio ad absurdum that demonstrates computation cannot generate consciousness *unless* one subscribes to a particularly vicious form of panpsychism. For a summary, see. Bishop, J.M., Cf. "Artificial Intelligence is stupid ..": <https://lnkd.in/e-MxHXYq>.

For an early rejoinder to DC. see Bishop, J.M., (2002), Counterfactuals Can’t Count: a rejoinder to David Chalmers, Consciousness & Cognition: 11(4), pp. 642-652.

.. or better still, check out the later paper, Bishop, J.M. (2009), Why robots can’t feel pain, Mind and Machines: 19(4), pp. 507-516. <https://tinyurl.com/3j28euxx>

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Gerben Wierda's avatar

"consciousness isn’t reducible to whatever the brain is doing, because the “functions and structures” of scientific explanation don’t tell you what a red wine tastes like on the tongue, or an ice cube" — I think consciousness *is* a brain function (and a pretty useful one at that). The phrase "don’t tell you what a red wine tastes" is like asking "do we have free will. The question itself is misleading and — following Uncle Ludwig — we should leave the dead-end room the way we came in.

In the case of free will: We do not *have* free will. We *are* free will (because we are not fully predictable). The closer a potential course of action is to multiple 'equivalent' choices, the more 'close options' we get in our attention/consciousness function, which we know we have, the more we experience choice and freedom. What in the end triggers one or the other of these 'close options' is unpredictable. We *label* that experience 'free will'. Free will is a 'label'.

These discussions could do with a heavy dose of later Wittgenstein (just to keep us sane).

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