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Contarini's avatar

Classic example of Goodhart's law. The idea once upon a time was that publishing papers meant you were making some kind of genuine contribution. Then the mere fact of publishing papers became a criterion for professional survival, with arbitrary and increasingly corrupted standards for what would be published. So people then focused on publishing papers, without regard to whether they added anything of value to science in any larger sense. The publication of the paper was an end in itself, and may even be said to have subsumed the meaning of science itself, because that’s what was being measured. Objectively, in colloquial terms, the entire system has become “fucking retarded“ — or so it appears to at least one concerned non-scientist observer.

And at least one option that should be on the table for discussion is to tear it down and rebuild from scratch. The thought experiment would be something like this: If a committee of smart and well intentioned and inhumanly objective and disinterested scientists were given custody of the entire budget for “science“ worldwide, and everything that currently exists is shut down for a period of a few year while they conducted a review, and they had to come up with a system that would actually generate good “science“ — however that was defined — would that bag of money be spent on anything like what we have now? Would they simply replace what we have now? Or would they — should they — do something quite different? My guess is that they would do more than merely tweak the current system. Having imagined an aspiration, ideal superior system, thought could be given to what incremental steps could be taken toward it from what we have now I’m

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Gerben Wierda's avatar

How did they evaluate the output? Well: "To evaluate the generated papers, we design and validate an automated reviewer, which we show achieves near-human performance in evaluating paper scores."

The LLM-based setup produces papers that an LLM says are publishable. Colour me skeptical.

I have to read the entire paper still, but even if it works it is a data point for Brian Merchant's 'cheap' as well as damage to the most important product that comes out of university research: people with skills.

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