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Camille S's avatar

I do think you make a very good point about the feel-good, instant gratification shortcuts that LLMs can provide. I think you'd probably enjoy reading about Liquid Love by Zygmunt Bauman, which discusses in depth the "plastic culture" you talk about.

That being said, I'm often baffled by the ability of people to do "sexism rickrolls" while talking in spaces (such as tech) where it's inherently hard to do so because of the nature of the topic. I was very surprised to see this on my inbox, no offense. Even if she really was a gold digger*, why is she the only one in the story seemingly doing a transaction? A transaction takes two parties. From what I can read, you were clearly accepting that she was using you for money, but other benefits outweighed that. That mindset is exactly living like Tiana (not getting that trust, depth, purpose). From the post, it seems like you never liked this person that much at all, as a human, as if you did one would expect to have a moral conflict stemming from the fact that you were enabling something harmful for her (and for you). I think this also applies to AI, and that therefore we should also reflect on the user's social environment (why is it that they are accepting this transaction in the first place, while being very much aware of its nature?), not only in the features of the other party (AI/LLMs, dark patterns).

Just to point out how the first part of the article reads, I'll rewrite a bit for you:

"And men—especially older men dating younger women—this dynamic is so interesting because, in a sense, it’s not interesting at all. It’s always the same fucking thing."

*(albeit that framing kind of conveniently glosses over systemic issues on economic inequality and the power dynamics that that induces https://feminisminindia.com/2024/10/07/i-used-to-fear-being-called-a-gold-digger-until-i-realised-this/ somehow men trying to be successful to get a gf do not get this kind of treament)

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Wow! Here are two of my favorite science writers and contemporary critical theorists. I read John's End of Science and his later "My Doubts about The End of Science" Cross-Check article. And, while living in Santa Fe, I especially resonated with John's take on the (lack of) progress on Complexity Theory at the Santa Fe Institute. Full disclosure: I wanted to be a science writer just like John. Didn't have the chops to be published. :-(

Yes, the World (existence, experience) is baffling to those trying to intellectually mine its essence, as with Erik's attempt here. Not only mining the mystery of existence, but also the intrinsic nature of technology, the psycho-biological powerplay (?) "transactions" between the sexes, and ultimately the human condition. Red Pill or Blue Pill?

I, too, was surprised by the rawness of Erik's subject article, wondering if this was the same Erik J Larson whose writings I enjoy and support. What was this?! However, as I read on, the Hiedeggarian "enframement" allegory began to unfold. [I am referring to enframement in the sense of the twentieth-century German philosopher Martin Heidegger's 1954 essay "The Question Concerning Technology."]. Here, Erik is setting us up to see something new and not easily apparent, which evolved in the human condition: a new response mimicking an ancient psycho-biological response to transactions between the sexes. Tiana is not just the consumer here, John, but allegorically represents the profit-driven, male-herding, siren-like, emframing (and enframed in the Tiana case) commodity newly minted with all the bells and whistles and by a capitalistic system. So, in the allegory, Tiana is the commodified consumer. Commodified by capitalism. Erik is the consumer, IMHO.

As "addicted" high-tech consumer-users, humans become unwittingly transformed (enframed) as on-demand energy sources ("standing-reserve") for the technology (eg, TikTok and ChatGPT), as essential "cogs in the machine." Allegorically, high-tech capitalism surreptitiously commodifies its consumers as loyal conduits of cash, much like cattle. This technological worldview reduces the intrinsic value of entities to their quantifiable utility, obscuring deeper truths and potentially alienating us from our essence (and a possible life partner in the Tiana case). So, what was alienating Erik and Tiana from their potential roles as cooperating human partners in life? Have men been enframed by a male-dominated culture (system) in which women must compete to survive anyway they can, including turning to the "liberating" system of capitalism? Are we all just cogs in some machine?

Is Friedrich Neitsche's Übermensch in his work "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" the ideal form of the redeemed--those freed from enframement of any type? The Übermensch is not a static ideal, but rather a dynamic goal of human evolution, constantly striving to surpass itself, rejecting nihilism, and creating its own goals.

Curiously, Heidegger said our redemption from this "plastic world" is in "posey" (i.e., poetry or art). We have to step outside the enframing system to reveal it as an entity that reduces everything to its usefulness as a commodity. In this essay, Erik is painting a picture to reflect on and redeem (in the rescue sense).

Further reflecting on the essay, I see the redemptive quality of Erik's allegory in revealing the essence of our human condition as a system of responses to a beguiling world, plastic and physical. The plastic one is purposely designed to exploit the hard-wired emotional responses to the survival-driven evolved physical one. But because our brains evolved (for survival) with neuroplasticity, we can learn to change this vulnerable part of our human condition to see the essence of enframement-seeking capitalism.

This is an allegory of exploitation, and yes, it is a two-way street between the sexes. No doubt. Think of capitalism as the pimp and ChatGPT (for example) as the pimp's product (Tiana?), perhaps as a reverse of Erik's allegory.

Sorry for the long response. I thought the essay was quite thought-provoking.

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